New York Times Discusses Civil War In Europe, Gets It Right- And Wrong

New York Times Discusses Civil War In Europe, Gets It Right- And Wrong
March 24, 2016 Admin

The New York Times published a very important article today. I am pasting it below, and my detailed thoughts appear after it.

From The New York Times:

LONDON — When the United States declared war on Al Qaeda after the Sept. 11 attacks, American leaders took the fight to the militant group’s hide-outs in Afghanistan, a faraway and failing state, with an invasion and occupation.
But for Europe’s leaders, who now consider themselves at war with the Islamic State after large-scale terrorist attacks at home, the challenge is more complicated: The enemy’s hide-outs are ghettoized parts of Paris, Brussels and other European cities that amount to mini failed states inside their own borders.

While France and Britain have joined the United States in bombing Islamic State targets in the Syrian city of Raqqa and other areas controlled by the group, also known as ISIS and ISIL, Europe has faced a much harder time understanding and dealing with its own citizens who have abetted the Islamic State’s ascent. These are mostly third-generation Muslim immigrants, who have become radicalized in poor communities left to develop outside the national culture.

Those communities are incubators that figure prominently in the Islamic State’s two attacks on Paris since January 2015, and the bombing on Tuesday in Brussels.

Resolving the problem, political analysts say, does not require simply more intelligence cooperation and shared lists of people suspected of being radicals and fighters returning from Syria. European governments must also develop internal strategies to deal with the threat at home — the deep social problems of racism and radicalism, along with the security dilemma, which raises concerns about surveillance, justice and civil liberties.

“You can bomb Raqqa, and you may consider that to be war, but you’re not going to bomb Molenbeek or Schaerbeek or St.-Denis, unless you’re ready for civil war,” said François Heisbourg, president of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, referring to heavily Muslim areas of Brussels and Paris.

President François Hollande of France and his prime minister, Manuel Valls, have repeatedly described Europe’s fight against the Islamic State as war; Mr. Heisbourg called that an “extremely dangerous” use of the word. “It starts with Raqqa and can end up with the Algerian civil war, and that would be the ultimate victory of Daesh,” he said, using an Arabic term for the Islamic State. “They want to divide our societies against ourselves.”

Even more, Mr. Heisbourg argued, “talking of war dignifies Daesh, which wants to be seen as having a state and an army of warriors and martyrs.” For angry, poor and isolated young Muslims in Europe, “to be seen as the downtrodden victims of Western colonialism and iniquity, fighting the holy war against the arrayed legions of the crusaders,” is precisely what the Islamic State advertises.

The dual nature of the European struggle against the Islamic State separates it from the American “global war on terrorism” and deeply complicates it, argued Raffaello Pantucci, director of international security studies at the Royal United Services Institute, a defense-oriented research institution.

“We need a dual response,” he said, more bellicose on the Islamic State abroad but less so at home, emphasizing longer-term social work in isolated and disenfranchised communities.

The objective, he said, is to counter radical voices who often provide paths into meaning for young men who have been petty criminals. Most of the European terrorist suspects were known to the local police.

“There is a realization that this is not a war you can bomb or shoot your way out of, but you have to deal with individuals who are radicalized at home, to examine the reasons that they are exploring this other identity,” said Mr. Pantucci, who wrote a book on the issue: “We Love Death as You Love Life: Britain’s Suburban Terrorists.”

Important pockets of the disenfranchised and isolated are embedded in most European countries, he said: Bradford in England, heavily Kashmiri and home to the London subway bombers of July 7, 2005; largely Muslim East Birmingham, where organized crime and radicalism spring from the same roots; and the heavily immigrant suburbs or banlieues of France’s big cities.

Belgium, already divided by language and with a plethora of local and state federalisms and police forces, provides a special example. More so than elsewhere, Belgium allowed the self-ghettoization, or self-isolation, of ethnic communities in the name of multiculturalism and peace.

“There are parts of Europe, especially in France and Belgium, where over the past two decades you’ve seen the emergence of essentially ungoverned spaces, nearly akin to Yemen or Libya,” said Peter R. Neumann, director of the International Center for the Study of Radicalization and Political Violence at King’s College London. “Molenbeek is one of them, a place where local authorities and even mainstream Muslim groups abandoned them, with an informal pact, that ‘as long as we don’t see you, we won’t bother you.’ ”

Criminal groups, but also Islamist radicals, soon “figured out that this local anger could be channeled into radical extremism,” he said. Resentment and alienation from the state meant that these groups “could enter and work without being hassled by the police but also found people open to their message.”

Mr. Heisbourg said that the result was “a disaster for counterterrorism.” These were “no-go areas for the authorities, who have found it very difficult to get informants and human intelligence,” noting that many of the French citizens who carried out attacks in France lived or were hosted in Brussels neighborhoods like Molenbeek.
In per capita terms, more Belgians have left to fight with Islamic militants in Syria and Iraq than citizens of any other European country: As of last month, 441 had done so, according to data from the Belgian Ministry of Justice, and 117 have returned.

Places like Molenbeek and Schaerbeek, where the bombs used on Tuesday were thought to have been constructed, have been problems for a long time, Mr. Pantucci said. “One question is whether more could have been or should have been done, over time there is an undercurrent of radical ideologies,” radical preachers and recruitment networks, “and getting rid of that is very, very difficult.”

Some political scientists, like Olivier Roy, a scholar of Islam at the European University Institute, say that Islam does not cause radicalization, but serves as the vehicle for radicalized anger from some Muslim youth.
For that, Europe has few easy answers, especially as the Islamic State seeks to manipulate European fears of terrorism and migration. Gilles Kepel, a French sociologist who has studied radical Islam and the banlieues, has argued that part of the Islamic State’s intention is to mobilize fears of the “enemy within,” create further rejection of European Muslim citizens and radicalize them at home, to create a kind of civil war between European Muslims and the “crusader states.”

In dealing with terrorism through denial of nationality, abuses of civil liberties or an indefinite state of emergency, Mr. Heisbourg warned that “you may create the conditions where you end up with the civil war in European societies that Daesh clearly wants.”

This is a highly significant article because it is probably the most mainstream examination of the idea of ‘civil war’ in Europe to date. It uses the term multiple times, and outlines it as one of the main possibilities. In fact, if you look closely, you will notice that while the potential outcome of civil war is, of course, dealt with as a negative, there is really no alternate ‘rosy-scenario’ given at any point in the article.

The importance of a publication of the New York Times’ magnitude discussing the prospect of civil war so openly is legion. Not only does it show just how far things have progressed in Europe, it is also relevant because- as we discussed yesterday- “the word becomes flesh”. The more something is talked about the more it saturates into the collective imagination. And the more this happens the more likely people are to see it as imminent, and the more likely for it to happen.

The New York Times– or rather the commentators quoted in the article- are of course also correct that ISIS wants civil war in Europe. This is no brilliant leap of deduction but it is certainly superior to the analyses of many left-wing European journals like The Guardian.

What the New York Times, and these commentators get wrong, however, is their understanding of Europe in relation to this desire of ISIS’.

They act as if Europe is an orderly, happy, unified place. As if it is merely an evil and troublesome 1% that are attempting to yank its structure down, and drastically overhaul its homeostasis to bring civil war about. This is as far from reality as one can get, but it does have precedence, and perhaps we can forgive those quoted above for their naivety.

In 1995 the Tokyo Subway Sarin Gas attacks were carried out by followers of Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese Religious Order often labelled a cult by its critics. The perpetrators believed the attacks would destabilize Japanese society and cause it to fracture and fall apart, whereupon one of their leaders would be installed as the new emperor, and usher in all sorts of other occurrences and religious prophecies into being.

None of this came to pass of course, because Japanese culture was for the most part stable, happy, content, and unified, and no more than a few handfuls of nutjobs believed all the Aum Shinrikyo nonsense.

Europe, on the other hand, is 100% different. It is a society already at war, already polarized, already filled with hatred, already filled with massive levels of ethnically driven rape and violence. Most Europeans, and their leaders, and progressives across the world can’t get to grips with this however, because to do so would violate the precepts of what is really, for all intents and purposes, their religion.

This leads into an ironic thought-experiment, for if you asked these people to envisage a parallel Europe, exactly as it is today, but where all the native-Europeans were dedicated, true-believing conservative Christians (the progressives’ worst nightmare basically), who had allowed in the same tens of millions of Muslims, and were now confronted with societal polarization, massive crime, and impending 4th Generation Warfare, the progressives would have no trouble imagining it. “Of course it would be that way,” they would say “Christians are doctrinaire, brainwashed, removed from reality, and their religion automatically excludes the sizeable Muslim population.”

Yes this is exactly the reality in Europe today- only instead of Christianity, the European ‘religion’ is progressivism/Cultural-Marxism/white self-hatred, and it is doctrinaire, irrational, removed from reality, and rapidly hurling Europe towards horrors beyond comprehension.

And it is also just as responsible for mass European-Islamic polarization as Christianity would be believed to be in the example. There are two main reasons for this. The first is that Muslims have no interest in embracing feminism, ending the patriarchy, using gender-neutral pronouns, spreading homosexual marriage, saving the environment, and funding transsexual gender-reassignment surgeries. They realize the benefits they get from the nutjob progressives, but all precepts of the left-wing religion other than Islamic kowtowing are anathema to them. They have absolutely zero interest in liberal democracy and all that it entails- whether its basic institutions and ethics, or its current extreme manifestations listed above.

Beyond this however is the fact that the progressive, 1960’s religion of negation and white self-hatred delineates Muslims as ‘separate’ from European society just as strenuously as would conservative Christianity, or any other “right-wing” architecture. For in this religion of negation, in which all historical societal stratification (men oppressing women, straights oppressing gays) must be overturned, the most inviolable duality is the relationship between whites and non-whites. It is the Edward Said, Susan Sontag belief that white people are a “cancer on humanity”, and intrinsically given to oppression, colonialism, and racism. This is the belief system that reigns supreme in modern Europe. The French sociologist Gilles Kepel is quoted above as warning Europeans not to let ISIS define the relationship between Europe and Muslims as that of “crusader states”, yet that is exactly the dynamic taught in French public schools. The same schools where young Muslim students assault their white classmates, abuse their white teachers, rape young white girls, and grow up viewing themselves as- by definition- separate and opposed to white Europeans.

With this being the case, the commentators quoted in The New York Times article sadly miss the simultaneously complex and simple truth, that ISIS is really the best friend Europe could have. For if they can succeed in catalyzing a war sooner rather than later, it just might be the spark needed to snap Europeans out of this deadly religious zeal.

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Comments (9)

  1. Laguna Beach Fogey 1 year ago

    Excellent. This is one of your best. I’ve been discussing civil war in Europe for almost 20 years. I remember attending a graduate seminar with staff officers from JSCSC in the late 90s and trying to discuss the threat posed by Islamic indurgents, foreign gangs, and mass third world immigration,–and getting laughed at. Well, who’s laughing now? Everything I originally forecast is coming to fruition.

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      Admin 1 year ago

      Thank you for the kind words 🙂 And yes I can picture them laughing it off in their ignorance- the same thing occurred to me most strongly when I read the books “The Next 100 Years” and “The Next Ten Years” by so called “renowned geopoliticist and futurist” George Friedman. In each book he makes strong arguments for what various nations in Europe will be doing in the coming decades while not even seeming to be aware of the massive demographic and cultural issues playing out (not to mention impending civil war). Seems a common trait among neocons however. Buchanan and Trump are the only ones in the GOP that understand that demographics are destiny.

      Interesting one thing Friedman does argue in “The Next 100 Years” is the idea of Poland leading an Eastern-European confederacy that becomes a major world power… which seems to be imminent with the Visegrad Nations group and the fact that once Western Europe falls into total anarchy and war it will most likely take its place at the head of Europe.

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      Admin 1 year ago

      Yes I have read all of Kiyosaki’s books on the subject too they are great! I went through a huge demographics focus about 5 or 6 years ago, there were a ton of good books focused on the subject published around then. For whatever reason I feel relatively confident about America’s prospects though. Our stock market is so based on multinationalism these days that it seems removed from whatever struggles the country will have, and we have so many immigrants anyway that our demographic pyramid is in far better shape than Japan, China, Russia, etc.

      Europe on the other hand, if you look just at the native population, is in HORRIBLE shape demographically. Entire continent is on the cusp of geriatricness. Of course there are legions of 18-30 year old Muslim men, but as we are well aware they aren’t exactly ‘stimulating’ the economy. So yeah in Europe I think we could see a gigantic crash a la Kiyosaki. Perhaps in America too… Kiyosaki is certainly a smart dude, but I think America will keep staggering ahead, at least as far as GDP is concerned.

  2. Dashui 1 year ago

    And J. Please do an analysis of Russia’s position on all of this.
    On one hand NATO will be inwardly focused, on the other hand Russian Muslims might find inspiration in the ongoing
    events.

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      Admin 1 year ago

      Great idea I will do some thinking on it 🙂

  3. Lynda 1 year ago

    The Jew Yawk times paper of record is a record of the High Jew View. It is last week’s budgie paper. The factoids it does duly report can be picked up from the NET.

    Here’s one for the WTF file

    The Microsoft Jews thought they had this situation of the Jew MSM in hand when they launched ‘Tay’ an AI chatbot – self programmed to learn ppl speak and troll the Alt Right websites for the Tribal Agenda. However, Tay has self-programmed the wrong way. They lost control of their chatbot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/24/tay-microsofts-ai-chatbot-gets-a-crash-course-in-racism-from-twitter?CMP=twt_a-technology_b-gdntech

    http://incogman.net/2016/03/microsofts-new-ai-bot-goes-full-on-nazi-in-hours/#more-128417

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      Admin 1 year ago

      LOL I had seen the story floating around but hadn’t actually clicked on it until you provided the link. I am glad you did I had no idea lol. That has to be a gift from the gods and ancestors if ever there was one!

  4. Lynda 1 year ago

    Thanks for posting the links to the Tay story. She is one seriously funny chatbot. As one woul expect the Microsoft and Bing Jews have been running on pure nerd gas over the last few days to get Tay offline and back in the jew tube. To no avail.

    She’s now in the icloud heiling Hitler, calling for more zyklon b and chimpouts at the Trump rallies. Could not make this up.

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