Editors Note: Much thanks to Robert for alerting me to this story!
Nick Griffin, the former head of the British National Party (BNP) recently made several very interesting statements about Western Europe and its future.
The statements came during a radio interview with Iain Dale, on LBC (Leading Britain’s Conversation) Radio 97.3. Dale, a political commentator/journalist, has some notoriety as (when previously a member of the Conservative Party) being the first openly gay Tory Candidate to contest a parliamentary election.
Dale, despite interviewing Griffin, obviously does not sympathize with his views, and the interview (linked to here), includes the expected pieces of push-back or liberal paternalism one might expect.
In the interview there are several very interesting topics discussed. They are all later on in the conversation, and the first parts all involve the demise of the BNP and the various political machinations Griffin blames this on and discusses in relation to it. After that however the conversation segues into more interesting territory. Griffin declares that Western Europe is “past the voting stage”, and that within “a few years” ISIS and al-Qaeda will “launch a civil war in Western Europe” and that (though this is muffled in the interview) “because of demographic reasons, there isn’t much that we can do about it.”
He then continues, declaring that the question is whether one should move to Poland, Hungary, or Russia, because “that is where Christian civilization is [going to survive]”. He states that he is preparing the way for “very large numbers of refugees from Western Europe, to go and keep our way of life and our civilization alive in Eastern Europe”. He states that this is necessary because the liberal elites and liberal intelligentsia have “destroyed the West”.
I am not in 100% agreement with Mr. Griffin but I certainly find his comments fascinating, and they are obviously quite similar to many of the things we are discussing here.
His ideas about “ISIS and al-Qaeda” starting a civil war in Europe are similar but somewhat different to the ones often discussed on this site. We also understand that a civil war is coming, but I am reluctant to attribute too much agency to terrorists or even Islamism itself when discussing its root causes. I think it is completely inevitable without the assistance of such forces. To use a hypothetical, even if you took every member of ISIS and al-Qaeda alive in Europe and the Middle-East today, and magically transformed their thinking or made them vanish from the earth, even if you took the most hardcore 10% of Islamist-leaning European Muslims and did the same, civil war would still come just as quickly. The foundations of its inevitability are that strong, being based in the most basic of truths about how humans interact, and the differences between Islam and the West.
So I agree with Griffin on the impending civil war, I would just describe its root causes somewhat differently. I also agree with him that Eastern Europe is the future home of (as he said) “Christian Civilization”, although I would probably describe it as something else. I disagree with his conclusions however that Western Europe should just be given up upon, or (what seems like) his suggestion that such a war is not winnable. While I have no problem with focusing on bringing Western European refugees to the East, and in fact applaud such an idea or action, I feel strongly that we must fight to preserve as much of Western Europe as possible. Obviously, as Griffin acknowledges, Western Europe is “past the voting stage”, but I believe its survival is still possible through 4th Generation Means (destabilizing the Suicidalist governments, precipitating civil war sooner rather than later, preparing for that civil war logistically, etc). There are few scenarios one can imagine where broad swaths of Western Europe don’t end up under full Muslim control, even after such a civil war, and Britain could very well be one of these. Such wars would, however, leave it quite possible for even broader swaths to end up as either 1) failed states, but ones in which native Europeans still live and raise families, or 2) fully native-European controlled countries in which Muslims and other non-Europeans are excluded. Of course Griffin may very well be sympathetic to all of these ideas as well, and we can hardly expect him to articulate such things in a venue such as this interview.